Oscar Award Winning Hair Designer Adruitha Lee on Transforming Angelina Jolie Into Diva Maria Callas

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>> Tiffany Bartok: Welcome to look behind the look, the celebrated podcast that explores your favorite looks in film, television and fashion history. Through conversations with the fashion world's elite and award winning hair, makeup and costume designers on sets around the world, you will see and hear exciting tales from behind the scenes, career origin stories and tons of advice and tips. I'm your host, Tiffany Bartok. Hey everybody. Welcome to look behind the Look. We are deep into awards season and I'm talking today with no stranger to the awards arena. It's Adutha Lee, the hair designer behind a, lot of your favorite looks in film, Harley Quinn. One of my favorites is I, Tonya. She was on the show talking about Amsterdam and her work with, the cast on that film that very few people saw, but is incredible actually. and we are talking today about what is sure to be an awards favorite. It's Angelina Jolie as Maria Callas in Maria. And Nadrutha is a longtime collaborator with Angelina Jolie and she talks to me today about all of the hair design behind the character of Maria Callas that Angelina plays so well in this film. If you have a chance to see this film in the theater, please, please do. I, saw it in the theater, of course. I always prefer to see things that way if possible. And it was really exciting to see it with an audience who was very interactive during the screening. so if you have a chance to see it with people, please do. Otherwise, you can see it on Netflix December 11th and it's truly beautiful, gorgeous. Just something to really see. Every aspect of the creative design of this film is stunning. so today we are focusing on hair design, of course, with the incomparable A.D. lee.

Adria: Hi, Adria. Hello. I'm so excited to talk to you

So let's listen.

>> Speaker B: I'd like to walk with you through your life. Should I call you Maria or Localis? Tell me how it felt to be on stage.

>> Tiffany Bartok: An exaltation, an intoxication. I thought the stage itself would burn. Sometimes this thing happens, the thing that's happening right now. There's a point where self confidence becomes.

>> Speaker B: A kind of insanity.

>> Tiffany Bartok: How is that for a position for the piano, madam?

>> Speaker B: It's not right, but I'm nice, so leave it. Perhaps we could speak of your life away from the stage.

>> Tiffany Bartok: There is no life away from the stage. Hi, Adria.

>> Speaker B: Hello.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Hey. I, we have been. This has been a long time coming. We've been trying to connect over this beautiful film since. I know, since 1999. So I am so happy to have you. I'm so excited to talk to you about everything the. You're In Paris now. Yeah, yeah. And can you tell us why or. No, not yet.

>> Speaker B: Yeah, I'm doing another project with Angelina and it's a French film. And it's, it's, it's quite lovely to be here, ah, at this time of year, you know, around Christmas m time. And matter of fact, I was just out and it's so, it's so beautiful.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Because it's nighttime there. Yeah. Evening.

>> Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Good, good, good, good.

You're an Oscar award winning hair designer and there's so many things

well, the last time that we spoke was about, Amsterdam, the movie.

>> Speaker B: Oh yeah.

>> Tiffany Bartok: And the reason I loved Amsterdam so much was because of Margot Robbie's wig and her. The hair color, that you dyed her. It was the best brown I had ever seen. And so, you know, that's what we talked about last time. And But everyone knows you to be a legend. You're an Oscar award winning hair designer and there's so many things you do. All my favorite movies and Angelina's my very favorite actress in the whole world. And I just was looking at pictures of you two together and saw the one where she was congratulating you when, you won the Oscar. And you saw her, you saw her in the audience for Dallas Byers Club. And So what brought you guys together again this time?

>> Speaker B: Well, you know, the, project M. you mean for Maria?

>> Tiffany Bartok: For Maria.

>> Speaker B: Maria, yes. Okay. Maria was like, she had been talking about doing it for a while and I thought, well, that would be a really cool project. But I didn't really think a whole lot more of it because sometimes she, you know, she has different people do different things. I knew that I would be, that I could, that I could do it. And you know, some things came up. She, I was talking to her one day and I was doing a head cast on her for the movie for. Just to get her wig started and did not know that at the time when I walked in that I was going to do, that I was doing this, that I was going to be doing the movie.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Is that true?

>> Speaker B: Yeah. So we, you know, she had talked to somebody else and that, I think she realized that that person probably wasn't the right person for the job. And I didn't, you know, I didn't volunteer myself. I just, you know, left it up to her as to what she decided to do. But so I went to help, get her wig started, you know, and for the movie and we were talking and you know, we were talking about what we were going to do, how we were going to drop her Hairline down and how. How. What she wanted to do and, you know, and just looking at pictures of Maria and thinking about how we could make this work on Angelina Jolie, making her, Maria Callas.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Right.

>> Speaker B: So, you know, about 30 minutes into it, you know, we. We get it finished, and we're about finished, and I believe she was getting ready to fly out somewhere, and she turned around and she looked at me, and this is how it happened. She turned around and she looked at me. She said, you can do my movie. And I looked at her and I said, okay. I said, you know, I'm. I might have another project. I'm not sure. And I said, I'll just have to find out. She said, no, you need to do this movie. You need to do this. And, so I said, okay, I'll, I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll make sure that I'm available to do it. So. And that's kind of how it got started.

>> Tiffany Bartok: I love that.

>> Speaker B: So I had enough time to do some prep, and, you know, we, some. And, you know, I had all these reference photos that the makeup artist had gathered, you know, because she had been knowing that she's going to do the project for a while. And, And so she shared a lot of things with me, and I started looking at things and, you know, and, it was like, okay, let's get it. Let's get three wigs made. That's, We're probably going to need three. At least three wigs. And I said, yeah, at least. And then some pieces, because I didn't. I knew it was about the last week of her life, but, you know, there were tons of flashbacks. We ended up using 12 wigs. Oh, God. Yeah. We ended up using 12 and a whole lot of pieces. And, Yeah, it was. It was. It was a lot. We did like ten operas. And, Well, between the concerts, her concerts, in her operas, there were 10, you know, where, you know, and I have. I had never done an opera before.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Oh, my goodness.

>> Speaker B: I've never done an opera. I'm M not, you know.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

>> Speaker B: So I thought, well, I, you know, I better pick up on this real fast.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Yeah, yeah. And what would make it. What would make it opera hair? You know what I mean?

>> Speaker B: You know, it's just so. It's so defined, you know, when you pull up all the pictures of, Maria and all the different operas that she did, you know, it's a different time period. So, you know, hair was even Though it was for a particular opera, you know, and, for the, you know, for the time frame it was for. Written for, it was still, you know, hair that was done in the 50s and in the 40s and the 50s, you know, a lot of it being done in the 50s. So it was a little bit different.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Right.

>> Speaker B: And then. Then what, you know, modern day operas are. But it's still. The opera hair is definitely, you know, the time period of whatever, you know, the opera is.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Right.

>> Speaker B: So it's quite different than, you know, movie, Or salon hair or, you know.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Salon hair.

You did a wig on Maria Callas and Angelina Jolie

Yeah, yeah.

>> Speaker B: I mean, it's just. It's very, you know, I mean, some people, you know, they do operas and, Broadway. Or Broadway or whatever. Sure. But operas. I know some people that work in that industry and it is. It is different. You know, they know how to ventilate their wigs. They. There's a certain pattern for certain things and the way it's done and the way that the wigs are set, you know, and a lot of times in movies, you don't set hair. You know, it's very natural and a lot of things that I've done. But yeah, we had to, Because of the time period, too. You know, the. The opera hair, the concert hair. And, she was, she was always. She always had a look, you know, and throughout the 50s and the 60s, she had, you know, she had, She had a hairdresser that, you know, did some really nice things on her for that period. For that time period, you know, and I had a lot of references.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Maria Callas had her own hairdresser that worked with her all the time.

>> Speaker B: Is it.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Yeah, yeah. Okay. Do you know what their name was?

>> Speaker B: It was. It was a guy. And I'll have to. Yeah, I'll look.

>> Tiffany Bartok: I'll look.

>> Speaker B: I have to do some more research.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

>> Speaker B: You know, when she, It was really interesting. And it's good to have all those references.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Yes.

>> Speaker B: And it can be good and it can be bad.

>> Tiffany Bartok: And because of the pressure. The pressure to.

>> Speaker B: Well, when you're. When you're doing it on somebody else.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Yeah.

>> Speaker B: You know, you have to. Like I said. And I said this in one of our, Q and A's, you know, I was doing Maria Callas. Going to try to get as close to that feel and look as I could, but I was also doing it on Angelina Jolie.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Yeah.

>> Speaker B: And there's a lot to be considered.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Yes.

>> Speaker B: You know, you have to try to make everything work for her and her face and you don't want what you do to become the story.

>> Tiffany Bartok: That is so. That is so what I saw when I saw the film, what you're talking about right now. It was, it was not about the focus, was not about the hair and the make. It really blended into her whole performance so beautifully. You really achieved that. So how do you avoid it from being. From upstaging the actor?

>> Speaker B: You know, a lot of it is, you know, you, you could do the exact, you know, you could do the really high hair, you know, and some of the hairstyles that Maria had.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Right.

>> Speaker B: Especially in, in the 60s and, early 60s, and. And, you know, some of it was really high hair. You do that on Angelina Jolie and you're going to get something that's a little bit odd looking.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Right.

>> Speaker B: So you have to, you have to make, sure that the dimensions, that everything's, you know, that everything kind of goes together.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Right. Right.

>> Speaker B: And, Maria Callas had, you know, had a really wavy, wavy hair and coarse hair and, a lot of it, especially in that last week of her life, you know, where she wore her hair down. And it really wasn't beautiful, though. So what, what I did was the wig, you know, that, to keep her soft, just like they did, you know, just like they did in the house. I mean, when she was in her apartment in Paris.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Yes.

>> Speaker B: You know, they kept the clothes soft, the colors soft, flowy. And that's what I did with the hair. So there would be this vulnerability, this softness that went from head to toe. And one of the funny stories is I remember setting the wig and, Angie would come in from time to time and we'd be looking at it and I'd have to change a little bit about the color. I'd have to put a little more gray hair. She was very specific, but she's very good and has a great eye for things and she's really helpful and she'll elevate you as a hairdresser too. and I remember, I remember I use an oven, one of the old fashioned ovens where you put the iron in and it heated up. That's what I used on Margo's when I did Amsterdam.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Is that, Is that so?

>> Speaker B: Yeah. And I. So I tried that. It's too tight. I didn't like that then, you know, you. I tried to set it with rollers. Didn't like that. That didn't look good. And to get a natural wave, what, I did was. And I did this also on A couple of other movies was I rolled up paper towels and made rollers out of them. And that's what I set that wig in that made such a beautiful soft curl. That looked like natural curl.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Yes, it did.

I thought that her hair was naturally curly like that

I thought that her hair was naturally curly like that, and then it was just emphasized. Do you know what I mean?

>> Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.

>> Tiffany Bartok: So convincing and so beautiful. Yes. Great work.

>> Speaker B: You couldn't get that with a roller.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Or a iron, now that I think about it. Yeah.

>> Speaker B: And so it worked for that. It's. It's an old. Old technique.

>> Tiffany Bartok: I love it.

>> Speaker B: And. Which I use a lot of them. And, even for modern looks, I use old techniques. But it was. It worked. And I. And I. So I. I, The next morning, the first morning I tried it, I took it out and we were still in the testing phase. And I said, what do you think about this? She said, yeah, I like that. You know, And I knew that I was on the right track because she. Like I said, she's got a great eye. And, you know, I've. I. Because of working with hair so much and be. You know, in all my days in the salon, you know, what natural curl looks like. So I thought that that emulated it probably the best, because it was a very straight wig.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Wow. Amazing.

How did you convince production to allow you to have this budget for all wigs

Now, how one thing, that stuck out to me when you were talking is how did you. How did you convince production to allow you to have this budget for all those wigs?

>> Speaker B: Like, a lot of them. A lot of them were mine. A lot of them were mine.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Wow.

>> Speaker B: You know, we, You know, they knew. You know, they knew what they needed. You know, they knew that it was good in the three wigs. They were good with that, and they would have. And they also had some pieces made. They, you know, there was no argument about what I needed. But then when I started looking at stuff and I'm looking at these operas, and I'm thinking, I can't. You know, I gotta get really, really long hair. And on, Like on Medea, when we had the long red wig, and, yes. Wasn't that wild? That was fun. And then the blonde wig. And so I just did these two wigs, and those were mine. And I thought, you know what? Let's just see. She's often talked about. She's never been a redhead. Madea, we could do it. And we asked Pablo, you know what, And Norma. Norma, we could. We could. You know, we could do the blonde or we could do dark. And I said, let's just try it. And she really liked the blonde, she liked the red. And, But, yeah, those were mine. So that's how it ended up being so many. Okay. It was wonderful.

>> Tiffany Bartok: That's lovely.

>> Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have a pretty good wig stock and. And I have a few pieces, you know, of really good ones that I've actually bought myself that did not work for what I was getting them for. And so they're well made, and I would buy a purchase of myself because I know what they're worth to me.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Those should be in a museum, for sure. They probably will be, because now you're in the Oscar race, of course.

How do you prepare for an Oscar race that can be intimidating

And, like, I wanted to talk to you a little bit about that, too, about how you prepare and sort of, you know, get in your head in the game for something like an. As intimidating as an Oscar race. Do you let it get to you or do you just keep.

>> Speaker B: Well, you know, right now. Yeah, it always kind of you, you know, it's exciting. Yeah, it's exciting. And then you think, well, you know, is pretty hair, and is opera hair, and all the different things that we had to do to take her on this journey, you know, to do all these flashbacks and to do her. Her current look as she. As she was in the movie, to do all that, you know, you think, okay, is this anything that the Academy is going to look at as, you know, so often and, you know that. And it so often they look at, you know, all the prosthetic work. Yeah. And it's just, you know, and, there's a lot of good stuff out there this year.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Well, yeah, sure.

>> Speaker B: There's a lot of good stuff, and there's a lot of prosthetic work, and it's in, you know, and I don't think it's exactly what you do is just, you know, is it above and beyond, beyond the achievement? Is it to that achievement, or are you doing something besides just doing your job? That's. That's a, That's something that you have to look at, too. Am I just doing my job by doing all the different looks that we did, or did I go above and beyond? Because that's what they're looking for. They're looking for that level.

>> Tiffany Bartok: That's really interesting.

>> Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. You know, and I remember when I got the call on the movie that I got the Oscar for, I had no idea about any of the process, and I got the call from the producer, you're on the short list. And I said, what's that?

>> Tiffany Bartok: Yeah.

>> Speaker B: And then she told me because I didn't try to do anything. And then I said, for doing my job. I mean, that's exactly what I said.

>> Tiffany Bartok: I believe you.

>> Speaker B: And she said. And she said, well, it was just, you know, it was. It was more than that.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Yeah.

>> Speaker B: But anyway, so that's what you have to think about. And I was just in a meeting last night. Isn't. Matter of fact. And, you know, as to all the things that. That's being looked at. And the, the unfortunate part about Maria is it hasn't come out yet. I know that's. And that's what's happened with so many.

Drew says Angelina looks effortless in the film

>> Tiffany Bartok: Drew, can you talk to me a little bit about how deceiving it is to. You know, Angelina looks so effortless, so natural, especially around the house. When she's, walking around in the. In the house. Can you talk a little bit about, like, you know, no makeup. Makeup and undone hair and, you know, things like that and how you. To work even harder to make it look so effortless?

>> Speaker B: Yeah. You have to work twice as hard to make things look simple, you know, I mean, that's just, That's the way it is. Nobody sees, you know, in the simple looks. You had to work twice as hard to make that happen.

>> Tiffany Bartok: You know, that's what it's so hard to. I mean, like, you look at things like Wicked that are like. I feel like I've seen it 150 times already because it's been marketing for so long.

>> Speaker B: Right, right.

>> Tiffany Bartok: But then sometimes, like, Maria, I feel like it's going to be a Christmas sneak attack. You know what I mean? I was. I saw it at a screening with, Angelina, and here at the DGA in New York, and my husband was late, so I had a bad seat. I was very upset about that.

>> Speaker B: But.

>> Tiffany Bartok: There wasn't a bad seat in the house, you know.

>> Speaker B: Ah.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Come to find out. And, you know, there were gasps in the audience, you know, at one of the parts when, you know, when that reporter. Spoiler alert, reporter comes.

>> Speaker B: Heartbreaking.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Yeah. And just, the way the whole thing. And we knew everything that was at stake for her, you know, by watching the film. Everybody was enraptured. Everybody was completely committed. There was a standing ovation. and, you know, it's going to be very well received. You know, I hope people will see it in the theater. I really. I really hope so. It'll probably run for. For a long time. They. It has to run for a week, right. On both coasts. Yeah.

>> Speaker B: Yeah.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Considered for a week. Great. Okay. So everybody has to see it that opening weekend, but of course, they can see it on Netflix. And, you know, it is. It's extraordinary work all around. I said, it's like watching the most beautiful room be decorated, like.

>> Speaker B: Oh, I know.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Like, if you're sitting and you're watching just the interior decorators, just go to work. You know what I mean? And her performance is incredible.

What was your favorite look that you worked on with Angelina

What was your favorite look that you worked on with her? What was one that you. You didn't know you could really pull off? And then.

>> Speaker B: Well, I. I'll tell you. The, I don't. You know, you've seen it in the ads, and that's the, London. The London. Yes. Farewell concert with the blue and white dress.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Yes.

>> Speaker B: I mean, that was. That was beautiful. But what happened was we had been. We had done the hospital scene where she had gone to see.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Yeah.

>> Speaker B: You know, Onassis, and we had to leave that location and go immediately to the theater. And we were in a little, A little, like, camper trailer thing, and we had no. Pam and I had no room. She has, you know, and so. And we had no very little time. So I said, okay. I said, I. This is something I've got to do. I. So I undid the look that we had in the hospital, and I took the wig that I was going to use for the farewell concert, and I added it to the one she had on. I didn't even take the one she had on.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Oh, wow. Okay.

>> Speaker B: That. That was a feat in itself, trying to. Trying to figure out how, you know, but it was just easier for me because you just go into this mode.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Right.

>> Speaker B: Of, you know, you just. I've got to do this. It's got to get done. We don't have that much time. And so I told. I told him. I said, okay, there's to be bobby pins flying everywhere, because what we're going to do is. I said, I'm going to incorporate this with the wig you've already got on. I said, can you handle it? And Angelina said, sure, go for it. You know, and so that's.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Add to the. That must add to the performance, too, when you're doing, those opera scenes, to feel that real, like, weight, you know, it's like, serious, you know. Yeah.

>> Speaker B: A good. A good custom piece, a good wig does not weigh a lot. You know, the wigs that aren't that great do have, are more weighty.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Right. Right.

>> Speaker B: But when you put two. Two on somebody's head, and I mean, she, you know, she knew what I was doing, and I told her what I had to do, and she said, okay, go for it. I'll be fine.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Oh, my.

>> Speaker B: And, So that's what we did. And after it was all said and done, and Pam and I look at each other because we were in such a tiny little space that she had to walk up behind me on a couch, walk behind me, get to the other side. There was no room to do it otherwise. And we were. And when it was all over with, we were laughing. How did we. Did we pull that one off?

>> Tiffany Bartok: I would love to see the aftermath. It's just like one of those things where you just pass out and eat carbs. Yeah.

>> Speaker B: But that. You know, that was. I knew I could do any of these looks. Yeah. You know, I could. I can do that. But it was just when you have to do stuff like that, then you have to. You know, you have to dig real deep inside you and go, okay. Yeah. Not only that, it needs to look good.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Yeah, yeah. Flawless. Everything was flawless.

Can you talk to me a little bit about the challenge to make Angelina look believable

Can you talk to me a little bit about the challenge? Like, the decision to make her look. Stay looking like Angelina and not really going the prosthetic routes and not having it be about the nose. I know.

>> Speaker B: That's makeup.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Oh, she did. Okay.

>> Speaker B: Okay. She had a prosthetic I couldn't sell.

>> Tiffany Bartok: I couldn't sell.

>> Speaker B: Thank you. I know.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Yeah.

>> Speaker B: I know.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Fantastic.

>> Speaker B: There was a couple of. You know, there was, I don't know how many sculpt sculptures he did, but there was a couple of sculpts of it. And, you know, and it was just, let's try this, let's try that. And they finally decided on. But she did have one.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Okay.

>> Speaker B: And not only. Not only was Pamela doing her makeup, she was putting on her prosthetic nose every day too.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Wow. Okay.

>> Speaker B: Yeah. And we were doing this in a very short amount of time because we didn't have a lot of time. She. Yeah, yeah. So we did have it, you know, But what. What it was. I mean, we did drop down the hairline to make it a little bit closer, and we tried to. But honestly, I didn't want it to be about the nose, about the hair, about anything. I didn't want anything to take anybody out of the story, you know, and there might be people to say, oh, she doesn't look like. But, you know, that wasn't what we were actually trying to do. We were trying to. I mean, Angelina captured Maria Callas in her performance. Yes. And what we were trying to do was to give her something that she would feel comfortable in. And she felt like she, you know, that we had done what we needed to do and didn't go so far as to anybody to be distracted.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Right. Support.

>> Speaker B: Because we've already, well, we've already been through that last year. There was a lot of distractions on different things and, and it just, it doesn't, you know, didn't want that.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Right, right.

>> Speaker B: And so anyway, you know, that's, you know, that's just where we were coming from. We wanted to be part of the story, but we didn't want to be the story.

>> Tiffany Bartok: I think too, it was an amazing choice for him to open the film with us seeing her for so long. He sort of dealt with all of everybody's doubts.

>> Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Head on.

>> Speaker B: Yeah.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Like it opens with her singing and because everybody's like, she can't. You know what I mean? Everybody's coming. Show me what you got. You know what I mean? And then so he just hits us all with it so we're like, we cross that bridge. She's got it. And we're, we're hanging on now. So I think that was a really good decision. Directorial lead to open with.

>> Speaker B: Yeah. You know, you can do, you can do the, you know, you could. Pam could have done the eyebrows in different. Little bit or done.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Right, right.

>> Speaker B: You know, this, that and the other. And you know, it was just like if you, if you're really, really trying to look like somebody else and you have to do a lot more, you, know, and we just, that's what we were, we were just trying to make it work.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Yeah.

>> Speaker B: And her be comfortable and it'd be a beautiful, you know, everything be beautiful.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Yes, yes.

Ed Lachman's work is incredible on this film

>> Speaker B: Well, the cinematography. Yeah.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Oh, Ed Lachman's work is incredible.

>> Speaker B: Oh my God.

>> Tiffany Bartok: I know one of my favorites dp. He's one of my favorite dps. And this I, I was shocked that it was him, but then I wasn't, you know, in the end I was like, oh my God, look at this.

>> Speaker B: Well, the costumes.

>> Tiffany Bartok: The costumes, everything.

>> Speaker B: The jewelry, the Paris. And then the, the production designer was so helpful to me. I have charts. I have charts. And I'd say, okay guy, what is exactly where you were going to see today in. You know, and he would say, okay, this is what, you know, this is, this is what I have. And it was so helpful. Really so helpful.

>> Tiffany Bartok: How did that inform how you, how did that inform what you would do?

>> Speaker B: Well, just his production design. And how he went about it.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Inspiring his relationship, you know, and his.

>> Speaker B: Relationship with the director. And so I, you know, I, And then we were staying at the same hotel, and we'd see each other every night, you know, for a snack or whatever, when we'd get in, and we sit there and talk for hours.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Oh, wow.

>> Speaker B: About. Okay, so, you know, what is this going to be? What is that going to be? And this is, you know. Yeah.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Oh, it sounds like. It sounds like a dream. It sounds like a dream. The movie is beautiful. I'm so happy to talk to you. I know how busy you are, and I will. I could talk to you forever. So we'll wait. You're probably doing 10 movies now between now and the Oscar run, so we'll have plenty to talk about.

>> Speaker B: I'm sorry I was late.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Oh, my gosh, not at all. You weren't late at all. I think everything was right on time. but I'm looking so forward to seeing this film. Just go, go, go, go, go and get all your flowers. And you're.

Maria, I love watching your work on Instagram. I've kind of not done a lot lately

You're on Drew. The worst in watching your work was when you weren't on Instagram, and now you're on Instagram.

>> Speaker B: I know. And I have. I've kind of. I've kind of not done a lot with it here lately because I've been so busy.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Oh, yeah, you don't have time to post yourself working because you're actually working.

>> Speaker B: I've got some fun stuff on there, you know, so much in all the things that I've done. I've got some fun stuff on there, too.

>> Tiffany Bartok: Yeah. I mean, you're. Your work is. If I can't imagine that there's anybody who doesn't, like, already know who you are, but for the kids that are watching this, your career is phenomenal. And it's only going on and on and on forever. I love watching your work. I love it.

>> Speaker B: Oh, thank you.

>> Tiffany Bartok: And so I'll put your Instagram in the show notes, of course. and everybody, tell us what you think of Maria. Look behind the look is a vinyl foot production written by me m your host, Tiffany Bartok. Produced by Jace Bartok. Edited by Mugresh Thakur. If you're interested in learning more, find our video version on the YouTube channel look behind the look podcast. There you can see rare photos and clips from our guests. And please follow us on Twitter @lookbehindpod and Instagram @lookbehindthelook. If you like the show, please rate, review, and subscribe. And tell your friends and spread the word you can subscribe to us on itunes or any podcaster of your choice. Thanks for listening to look behind the Look.